What al Qaeda and Saddam Hussein did was an extreme form of sadistic torture, the kind that psychopaths enjoy and inflict. But that does not make, say, freezing someone to near-death, reviving him, re-freezing him again any less torture. Yes, we did that, carefully monitored by Rumsfeld. It does not make the Khmer Rouge waterboarding technique any less torture. It does not make contorting a prisoner into an excruciating stress position and then smashing his head against the wall any less torture. We should not forget that there have been more than a hundred deaths in U.S.-run torture chambers under George W. Bush either. So I really don't get the point. Unless it is the following: If we are not as evil as al Qaeda, we are not torturing. This is logically and legally and morally a complete non-sequitur. And it is truly mind-boggling to believe that the arbiters of our moral compass are now the men who murdered 3000 innocents on 9/11. I don't know about you, but that's not the standard against which I believe America should judge herself. Or ever, ever has.
About this quote
- What does it mean?
- Comparing state torture to enemy sadism does not excuse state actions or reduce harm.
- In plain terms
- Bad deeds by enemies do not justify doing bad deeds yourself.
- What can you take from it?
- Do not justify unethical acts by citing others' cruelty.
Where it applies
Putting it to work
Questions to consider
- Does two wrongs make a right?
- How do we judge state violence?
Another view
Context often complicates moral equivalence arguments.
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