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Is it not a rather fantastic historical irony that the torture techniques that the North Vietnamese used against McCain that forced him to offer a videotaped false confession... are now the techniques the Bush administration is using to gain 'intelligence' about terror networks. How is it possible to know that everything John McCain once said on videotape for the enemy was false, because it was coerced, and yet assert that everything we torture out of terror suspects using exactly the same techniques, is true?

Andrew Sullivan#23

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About this quote

What does it mean?
It is ironic that Bush uses the same torture techniques once used against John McCain.
In plain terms
Bush uses the same torture methods McCain was subjected to by enemies.
What can you take from it?
The same torture techniques once condemned are now used by the US.

Where it applies

  • historical comparison
  • policy critique

Putting it to work

  • note inconsistencies
  • critique technique reuse

Questions to consider

  • Why use past enemy methods?
  • Is historical irony relevant?

Another view

Tactical choices may differ from past contexts.

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